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No Saddam link to Iraq al-Qaeda

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:11 pm
by Reck
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5328592.stm

There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders in Iraq prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.


Well glad that Canada decided not to formally join this fight.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:32 pm
by Bilnick
In other news the Senate did confirm it was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor.

The goal of invading Afganistan was to destroy al Qaeda and the ruling government that supported them.

Removing Saddam Hussein from power was a good move. He was a known threat in a volatile region and refused to comply with the sanctions the rest of the world imposed on him after the 1991 restoration of Kuwait.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:20 pm
by Areo
/agree Bil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:30 pm
by ThinkInk
I am not fond of politics but I do believe the operational word in that quote was "formal".

When was the last time you heard that word relating to a terrorist group?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:33 pm
by Serano
On TV I watched Sadam Hussain dress up his soldiers and have them parade in the uniform of Suicide bombers to show solidarity with those blowing themselves up

- Saddam Hussain is documented to have paid 10k Stipends to the families that sent their children to perform Suicide bombings in Israel against civilians.

- SH ordered the execution of non-beligerent kurds, Christians, Jews and non-violent anti-regimists within his boarders by the thousands.

- he invaded without provacation the sovreign nation of Kuwait in a power/cash grab to which he was defeated by an international force sanctioned by the UN to which he surrendered to - and then pursued 12 years of non compliance with his terms of surrender

- stockpiled dozens of 55 gallon drums of Sarrin at Artillary shell manufacturing facilities - that were captured by the 82nd in 2003. No national media reported on this non-classified seizure.

SH - by these actions above was in violation with his surrender agreement with the world - to which the US removed his regieme from power as a consequince to his defiance to the terms of his surrender and was a supporter of Terrorism outside of his countries border. On top of these actions his genocidal policies within his own border were atrocious.

The loss of life since his removal from powere to both US and Iraqi citizens have been terrible and tragic. They are no where near the loss of lives endured by the iraqi peoples under his command of that nation.

Sadam Husien was a supporter of global terrorism, a murderer and in violation with the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement - all great reasons to remove him from power by the military means used by the US.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:36 pm
by Keld
I'm glad there are others in this guild that see things the way I do..

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:09 pm
by Reck
Do not get me wrong I am glad his gone, but you missed the point here, I am glad Canada stayed out of the war because it was obvious that the US and British administrations were lying and that they were not going their because Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack.

If the war was to remove Saddam for crimes against humanity I would have supported it, but that is not what US and British authorities told us.

I am also not a supporter of promotion of democracy in every country, just because the US likes it way it does government, does not mean the rest of the world also has to be that way. Some countries are perfect with Dictatorships, with Communism, with pure socialism.

This whole war of War on Terror is a bunch of bullshit, why does the US not deal with the Black Tigers, KKK, and Christian fundamentalism that are within its borders. Fix the problems at home before declaring all out war on other nations.

My 2 cents from the neighbour to the north in a Social Democratic Nation.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:26 pm
by Serano
because it was obvious that the US and British administrations were lying and that they were not going their because Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack.


thats right every intelligence inaccuracy is a lie.

This whole war of War on Terror is a bunch of bullshit, why does the US not deal with the Black Tigers, KKK, and Christian fundamentalism that are within its borders


none of those groups organized a coordinated attack to murder 3k peeps on 11 Sep 01.

Agents against the US have declaired war on us by their actions. you are right the whole war on terror is bullshit. Far better for us to just take it and shrug each time someone declairs war on us regardless of their geographic sovreignity or not.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:33 pm
by Antok
This whole war of War on Terror is a bunch of bullshit, why does the US not deal with the Black Tigers, KKK, and Christian fundamentalism that are within its borders. Fix the problems at home before declaring all out war on other nations

because the KKK and the christian fundamentalists aren't organized to kill people?

because the black panthers fell apart in the 70's?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:48 pm
by Reck
Coming from someone that has the ability to watch US News channels and Canadian and European news channels, my opinion is that we should be more worried about the Foreign Policy of the US then Terrorist groups.

Do not get me wrong Terrorist Groups needs to be stopped, but the current US Foreign Policy is creating greater hatred and more groups that wish to disrupt the US.

Having a president on numerous occasion blame Islamic and Muslim peoples for the problems is just going to get you in trouble. Christianity is not the only religion out there and its time to instead of attack and destroy what you do not know, but embrace it and support it.

The term Jihad which US media love to use is not a Holy War against the enemy of Allah, but the war within oneself through life. Yes some out there interpret that different and decide they need to kill, but times have you seen people kill because they said god told them to.

I just wish that everyone would everyone let be, yes we need to step up and stop crimes against humanity but not step in because the traditions, religions or way of life is different.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:16 pm
by Keld
Hey Reck theres this book you should read, I forgot the exact name but its something like the Non-political correct book of Islam or something to that effect.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:42 am
by Lyannah
/agree entirely with Reck on this one

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:56 am
by Bilnick
We tried doing nothing after the first World Trade Center bombing. We did nothing after the USS Cole was attcked. Doing nothing only allowed more attacks to take place.

Would the world be safer if Saddam Hussein were still in power?

Would the world be safer if the Taliban were in power in Afganistan? These of course were the culturaly diverse government who blew up ancient Buddist statues because it wasn't islamic.

What should Canada do if terrorists destroy the CN Tower?

Re: No Saddam link to Iraq al-Qaeda

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:21 am
by Naiin
Reck wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5328592.stm

There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders in Iraq prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.


Well glad that Canada decided not to formally join this fight.


And this was news to you... I thought we had this settled 2 years ago.... history shall judge G.W. Bush Jr very harshly IMO :plzdie

The fact is that Al-Qeida <sp?> was never, has never been in alliance w/ Iraq. If anything.. AlQeida was just as dangerous for Saddims grip on the country as they were to us.. if not more. Al-Qeida has a stronger hold of the area today than ever before..... when I see the war in Iraq... I am reminded of the war on drugs..... simply put... you CANT SECURE borders w/o BEING there.. WELL ARMED and WELL FORTIFIED... what would have happened in Nazi Germany if we just sent enuff troops to secure Berlin and 3 or four other cities???? Stop depending on technologies that fail to "do-it-all" and do what has worked for 55000 years of human warfare, overwhelming firepower concentrated in a limited area w/ reinforcements sufficiant to hold any gains you make.... way to read and follow your own military doctrine USA. WTF, read history... learn from others mistakes.................. nuff said

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:20 pm
by Reck
So I am guessing some or most of you are okay with your government lying to you for their own agenda, or in this case the agenda of Bush Sr. Since it i obvious the Jr was there to finish what Sr could not.

Afghanistan is a different story we were told the truth why that was was needed, and if US forces would stop killing Canadian forces maybe we could get the job done.

If the CN Tower was attacked I would hope that we wouldn't go around with guns blazing and attack the first nation that comes to mind. But again we have a Conservative government currently in power that would have sent troops to the Iraq illegal war. Even though 78% of the population was opposed because of the given reasons by the US and British Administrations.

War must be just, if you lie to go to war then you are no better then the people you are trying to eliminate.

How about we deal with the mass killings and rapes in Darfur, Our previous Prime Minister wanted to send everything we have to stop the militants in Darfur since they have killed over 2 million in the last few years. But the US administration will not step in there because there is no Oil to protect. If the US is so worried about oil there is 2 very friendly allies that have oil.
Canada which has more oil then the middle east, and the United Arab Emirates.

Why do you think the UN security council was not on board with the Iraq war, they new that the real reason was to secure oil, which is not a just cause to bomb a nation.

Its time to put the guns away and be the bigger person and say no. The only people who need guns are Police and Armed Forces, the average does not need a gun to protect himself. I am going off on a rant here because I am tired of watching the news every night and seeing people being shot, when the statistic show most the guns are coming the the US, we have strict gun laws here but I will we would just abolish the gun totally.