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School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:14 pm
by Worff
School 1967 vs. School 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1967 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.

2007 - School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2007 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1967 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.


Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1967 - Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. US Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1967 - Ants die.
2007 - Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1967 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.
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Worff's fun-tastic questions:

1. What else (besides the absence of today's technology, gadgets, and widgets) was different back then in 1967?
2. What sort of people got elected to run city/state/national governments, especially lawmakers and judicial elements, back then as compared to now (if you're not old enough feel free to speculate)?
3. Why do you think all this "pussification" is being done and do you agree with it or not?
4. If your kid falls off the merry-go-round at the school playground and breaks their arm, how would you react? Should the playground be shut down now?
5. Are you afraid to speak your mind in mixed company? (this one is tricky, there is a line between showing respect & tact, and being afraid)

.... more later maybe :)

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:27 pm
by Horcrux
Many of those 2007 scenarios are annoyingly overblown and non-realistic, except for maybe a 1 in a million occurance.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:13 pm
by Meso
annoyingly overblown

I know a guy that took some civil war muskets to school for his son's show and tell.
Although the barrels were filled with lead and flints removed (totally non-functional) he was arrested for bring firearms onto school property.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:26 pm
by Ceruis
Horcrux wrote:Many of those 2007 scenarios are annoyingly overblown and non-realistic, except for maybe a 1 in a million occurance.


Maybe a lil overblown but no by much.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:01 pm
by Worff
Yeah those EXACT scenarios might not happen often, but similar ones do and they are very real. Fighting for example, some jerk takes a few swings at you in school and you have to defend yourself, yet you get in just as much trouble, and the main point here is the cops get called more often than not (why I don't know, it's usually not needed unless there is a weapon involved) when the school and the parents should be handling that. Plus, learning how to stand up for yourself is just part of growing up, not a crime.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:14 pm
by Jimbop
I agree that some of these scenarios are overblown, especially on the one with the anthill. But seriously, how long until scenarios like this don't become overblown stories? In the day in age where terrorists 'lurk around every corner,' where violence is no longer acceptable unless it's on a movie screen or we are called to fight a war for questionable motives, where excuses are made for people just being lazy and inattentive, and where discipline is dealt out unfairly more and more frequently, methods like these no longer sound like ideas out of my imagination. Police never used to patrol the hallways of our school systems, even so far as 10 years ago when I graduated, yet an officer now has a daily duty at that very same school. When a fight breaks out there, the kids involved do get hauled out in cuffs. They don't get outright expelled if it's their first instance, yet if you were to repeat this, I would bet the superintendent would give it a consideration.

Fact of the matter is, the world has changed, and in many ways not for the better. Personal responsibility is now a thing of the past, unless you are caught breaking an ever increasing mass of laws aimed at increasing the feeling of safety in the minds of families living in houses with white picket fences. When convicted of these laws, the courts no longer can claim they wear blindfolds, since the sons of famous wrestlers can only get 8 months in jail for driving drunk and putting a person in a vegetative state, while a common man with no famous name and no money to pay for high profile lawyers will receive a far harsher sentence. Or you may be of a different religious sect or of a different race, and hence the very idea of this law, or a usage of some word or idea by another person is offensive to you, and then the collective minds of the country should be instead focused on catering to every single individual's thoughts on appropriateness. And if you are too offensive to one individual, you can then instead be brought to a court of law, wherein you and your family will be utterly ruined after every dime is taken from you in a massive lawsuit. And these lawsuits themselves can come from anything that happens, like spilling coffee on yourself, which is clearly not your fault that you spilled it, but it is McDonald's fault for making that coffee so hot. Which brings it back to personal responsibility.

This country, sad to say, has moved too far off in the wrong direction. Too many excuses are made, and the blame is not being put where it should be: on ourselves. Why is that? Because it's just flat-out easier to blame someone else for your own shortcomings. I know few people anymore that are willing to stand up and say "I screwed up. I'm sorry." With every news story coming out how people with this kind of -phobia or that kind of deficit-disorder, we see less and less of ourselves in the mirror in the morning, but see more and more of the people we are trying to blame for our mishaps reflecting back at us.

On top of all that, when the blame is placed, whether rightly or wrongly, the reactions are wildly varying. Sometimes a situation will barely be seen or heard of, where others are mistaken for a new convention coming into town. Consistency is a thing of the past, because what all matters is the media exposure. High profile cases with high profile clients are more likely to end up favorably for the defendant while low profile cases not much so. Murder is easy to get away from if you spend enough money in lawyer fees so they can make a mockery of our American justice system.

We try to place ourselves on a moral high-ground in this country. As one of the most advanced nations, and the most wealthy, we see ourselves as above all others. While we are doing this, we start to act like our morals are better than so-and-so's down the street, like having pride over someone because you have a 32" LCD tv when your buddy down the street only has a 19" tv that's 15 years old (those are both mine btw, but said anyways just to make a point). Because I have the newer and better tv, that means you are old, outdated, almost tribal-like in your ancient technological ways. We do the same thing with every other facet at life, why not with television screen size? Is it no wonder when we find people who are offended by different things in our society?

I got 50 other different idea responses I'd like to type up for this thread, but I really need to get back to doing more studying for my U.S. History Before 1865 class. I got a test next week. :sad: This an interesting, yet infuriating, discussion topic imo.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:01 pm
by Ceruis
Jim, did you read the history book? If you did don't bother studying...the test is easy. Come play EQ.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:48 am
by Worff
Very well said Jimbop $ .. yeah the ant hill one was overblown metaphorically and literally haha .. one or two firecrackers would have sufficed for sending those ants a serious message :P but emptying an untold number of firecracker's gunpowder into a model paint jar (made of glass) is a tad overkill lol... not to mention dangerous. Not sure I beleive the whole story of what happened in the 2007 scenario on that but it would certainly deserve harsh punishment from the school and parents, maybe city cops at worst... lol but not Feds and HS. They should have called in the Knights Templar and MJ12 while they were at it /snicker.

Speaking of firecrackers on crack.. remember M-80's?? Man a couple of those will tear up a mailbox .. which if it has mail in it is a federal offense .. back in 70's me and a buddy (we were 12 or so) lit up some a-hole's mailbox with 3 M-80's and tried to escape on bicycles lol .. city cops caught us (naturally) and called our parents. Yeah we got in big trouble and never did anything like that again... but we prolly woulda got shot in 2007 hehe... or at least tasered a couple dozen times.

Aye the lawsuit thing has gone completely nuts when considering personal responsibility like you say. Ever hear the one about the guy using a rental lawnmower to trim his hedges? That's right he held it sideways, dropped it and cut off part of his foot (shock!)... then sued the rental company for not warning him not to use it like that and won, go figure '........'

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:13 am
by Meso
lol worff, in Texas I'm surprised you didn't get shot.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:22 am
by Jimbop
Ceruis wrote:Jim, did you read the history book? If you did don't bother studying...the test is easy. Come play EQ.


What's this thing you call "EQ?" Haven't ever heard of it. /grin

[quite="Worff"]Ever hear the one about the guy using a rental lawnmower to trim his hedges? That's right he held it sideways, dropped it and cut off part of his foot (shock!)... then sued the rental company for not warning him not to use it like that and won, go figure '........'[/quote]

No, I hadn't heard about that one before, yet it does not surprise me at all. Yet another case of someone not taking responsibility for himself and *gasp* using common sense. Seriously, how do you get the idea to use a cumbersome lawnmower to trim hedges with? It makes you wonder about all the other stupid people out there in the world whom are the basis for some of the warning labels you see on the sides of packaging.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:49 pm
by Horcrux
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that those scenarios were entirely unrealistic, but just that they are illustrating worst case scenarios that only happen probably 1/100 or even 1/1000th of the time. When I first read that, I was thinking in absolutes, which is not right for those scenarios. They are more just possible outcomes, rather than actual or even probable outcomes.

I agree about the problem with our legal system as well, I hate all these lawsuits. I personally know someone who is attempting to screw over an insurance company for over a million dollars because she was rear ended, and only lightly at that. She claims all sorts of braing trauma and what not. However, having known her for 21 years (she is my mom), I can safely say she is no different mentally or physically now than before the accident. Both me and my brother can attest to that. The difference, is that the moment she was rearended, a light went on in her head that said "easy way out", and she ran with it. She claims she wants to do all this noble stuff with the money, such as pay off my student loans, buy me and my brother a car, etc for other people. But it's dirty money, I'm not touching it. While it may have been gained legally, it was not gained morally. Yet every day people are getting outrageous settlements over rediculous things.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:01 am
by Stonecrush
My dad when he went to HS could take his 22 rilfe in and put it in his locker, after school he'd go shoot rats for fun at a local dump or some shit like that. If you tried to take a TOY GUN to school you'd get suspended here in NJ. No lie it happened to me when I was 8 years old. All the toy gun did was make sparks inside the plastic. Flint on steel kinda situation. I NEVER got the toy gun back either...

My friend and his GF were shocked when I brought a 12 gage shot gun home. They said wtf is that? I said it's a shot gun... "Is it real?" ROFL :help They were afraid of it as if it was gonna kill them while they slept. Why can't people just get it already. Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. Whether it's through stupidity or one of the other human flaws.

Later that Day my friend said why'd you buy it, I said well for one I like to go shoot clay birds. He said never heard of a clay bird where do they live.. :help /sigh

Planning on a rifle next for target pratice. I don't hunt myself, unless I was starving I guess I would. I just like shooting inatamet objects (responcibly). I've shot the hole in the P of a pepsi can from over 400 feet away.

People are just to scared now a days, and rarely use logic, they just follow blindly. Maybe it's just my area too I guess. I don't want to make just blanket statements.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:54 am
by Worff
I totally agree, Stone. Haha the giant man-eating shotgun is gonna get them!! That kinda boils down to just trust I guess. If you trust the person that owns one to not be insane or dumb then no need for fear... always respect tho lol.

Only gun I have atm (until mom-in-law passes away) is grandfather's old .22 Texas State Guard rifle... it's a nice weap but still only a .22. But no worries I like using a machete anyway :P

Mom-in-law left all the kids some guns in her will. We're getting a 10mm pistol, and some chinese military rifle /shrug. I've never seen a 10mm pistol so this should be interesting (wife's late stepdad owned a gun shop). I didn't get the one I wanted .. which is a tommy gun with violin case and all, a true collectors item... man I wanted that .. one of wife's sisters got that by begging lol teh bitch!! Oh well I guess I have to put off that rampage I was planning after all /snicker.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:36 am
by Stonecrush
I've seen some very ornate pieces out there. Makes me question ever wanting to use them or just have them as a discussion piece.

Re: School in 1967 compared to 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:09 pm
by Worff
Yeah that what I wanted the tommy gun for was mainly to hang on the wall (behind a glass case protected with lasers! :P) for collectors item... hell I couldn't afford to shoot it anyway, even if I could find a place to where I wouldn't be arrested. Damn thing prolly shoots 300 dollars a min sprayin and prayin lol. And yeah I know, short bursts only!