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Postby Brikksx » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:21 am

Some of you might remember the OKC Bombing back in 1995. I live about 20 minutes from the bombing site and had a office about 2 blocks from the federal building when it got blown up. This has allways been a wierd deal and most Okies think that there was more to the story than was being told.
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THE FINAL JIHAD: ANOTHER OKC BOMBING 'ODDITY' (very weird)

Government Editorial
Source: http://www.devvy.com/keating_20010604.html
Author: Devvy Kidd
Posted on 06/20/2001 16:42:12 PDT by sirgawain

THE FINAL JIHAD: ANOTHER OKC BOMBING 'ODDITY'
Devvy Kidd
June 1, 2001

The bombing of the Murrah Building was over six years ago. Memories fade about things so I thought I'd resurrect one of the strangest aspects of this bombing you're not going to believe - but it's true. Try this one on for size:

Governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, wrote a manuscript in 1991, roughly four years before the OKC bombing. Gov. Frank Keating is a former FBI hot shot. His brother, Martin could not get this work published until after the bombing. This manuscript, now a published book, is titled The Final Jihad. In this book, Keating lays out a story of terrorists, based in OKC, who decide to bomb a federal building. Guess what the name of the one of the key "terrorists" in the book is? Tom McVey. And for the kicker of this fictional work: The terrorists in The Final Jihad are stopped by an Oklahoma highway patrolman for a broken tail light.

Now, let me see: We have a book in manuscript form written four years before the OKC bombing whose story line involves terrorists in Oklahoma City. This part of this fictional work comes true.

We have a main character in the book by the name of Tom McVey. In real life, the bomber four years later in OKC is named Tim McVeigh.

We have the terrorists in this fictional work stopped by Oklahoma state troopers for a broken tail light. In real life, our bomber, Tim McVeigh, is pulled over by an Oklahoma state trooper because of a missing license plate.

How's that for fiction being stranger than reality? In this book, remember it's written in 1991, our author also predicts the TWA downing and the World Trade Center bombing. Was this just a premonition that Mr. Keating had? Who knows, but this book sure does sound like a blue print for the bombing.

What is Mr. Martin Keating's background? In his own words:

http://www.firstkeating.com/author.htm

"Martin Keating is a master storyteller with unique access to government intelligence agencies and clandestine terrorist groups. His brother Frank Keating, currently governor of Oklahoma, is a former FBI agent and assistant secretary of the Treasury who supervised the Secret Service, U.S. Customs, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Keating's uncle, Barney Martin was a career intelligence officer who headed the U.S. Navy's worldwide foreign intelligence collection operations and counterintelligence activities.

Introduced to the intelligence community through generations of family involvement, Martin Keating knows intimate details of what the rest of us can only imagine. Armed with firsthand knowledge of explosives and of chemical and biological weapons, Keating accurately reveals what the highest government officials have known, feared, and covered up for much too long."

Martin Keating also bragged after the bombing that he had copies of the surveillance film from the Southwest Bell building across the street from the Murrah building. The film from the Regency Towers survived completely intact. The government claims the Southwest Bell film didn't - my money says they're lying and they're lying to protect their assets and their invented story. There wasn't a scintilla of this strange story in any media publications except Media Bypass Magazine. You would think the "mainstream media" would have jumped on this like a June-bug just because of who the author of the manuscript is: Brother of the Governor of the State of Oklahoma. Nope. Dead silence.

Has anyone ever put Martin Keating under oath and ask him to produce these video surveillance films? Nope.

There is talk that Frank Keating - who states emphatically on the live news coverage the morning of the bombing that more bombs were found and "have been removed from the building" (a statement he now denies, but is memorialized on film) - may be slated to replace Louis Freeh. Oh, good, that makes me feel real warm and fuzzy.

I just thought I'd bring up this little bit of history that has such a strange resemblance to what happened in OKC. Today Jon Dougherty of worldnetdaily.com, wrote a piece titled, To Die or Not To Die: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=23037

Jon pretty much says what the rest of us are saying: There are so many unanswered questions and McVeigh is evidence. Why is our good Christian, John Ashcroft trying his darndest to hurry up with this execution? I have a few more questions:

McVeigh allegedly gave a false name, using fake ID in the name of "Bob Kling" to rent the Ryder truck, yet he rented a hotel room where he parked this big beacon the same day using his own name. How come? We sure have a lot of strange things and numerous "Tim McVeigh's" running around.

How come we have so many Ryder trucks and how come everyone likes yellow Ryder trucks so much? I've linked a few things in my past two posts on this, but here's another one:



This is a photo of Dennis Mahon, grand poo-ba of the Eloim City crowd. Very bad folks, make no mistake about it. Carol Howe was apparently involved with this guy. Ms. Howe was an ATF undercover informant later charged and tried by the government; she was acquitted. As I said, everyone seems to love yellow Ryder trucks, from the World Trade Center to OKC to Eloim City. How come no one ever rents U-Haul or some other brand? How come they're always from Ryder and always yellow? Ryder rents white trucks, I've seen them.

On May 8, 1995, Michael Fortier, who has just been given an 18 month pass off his 12.5 year prison term, told CNN "I do not believe Tim blew up any building in Oklahoma. There's nothing for me to look back on and say, 'Yeah, that might have been. I should have seen it back then.' There's nothing like that." Two weeks later, he claims that he and McVeigh actually visited the OKC federal building and "cased" the place.

What does Hoppy Heidelberg have to say about this? If you've read my previous posts or kept up with this bombing through other sources, you know that Hoppy was the original foreman of the grand jury that eventually indicted McVeigh and Nichols. You can read a really good interview with Hoppy at: http://www.devvy.com/9606.html#grand

Hoppy has this to say in that interview:

"Q: Let's talk about Michael Fortier, McVeigh's friend. At first when the FBI questioned he said McVeigh would never have blown-up the federal building and killed all those people. He said all the FBI had on McVeigh was his arrest for a traffic violation and a concealed weapons charge. Then a couple of months later he's saying that he and McVeigh actually went to OKC and cased the federal building with an eye to bombing it. What's going on here?

A: No. You're off base on that.

Q: You mean on Fortier's confession? He's confessed to being a participant in the bombing.

A: That's not it.

Q: I don't understand.

A: Let me put it this way, if I had been Fortier's attorney, he would have walked. He wouldn't have given a statement and he would have walked.

Q: That's pretty strong.

A: There's a lot you need to know about Fortier.

Q: In the Media Bypass article, you said he was just a kid and the FBI put a big scare into him.

A: Tremendous pressure. They brought 24 hour-a-day pressure on him for several months at great expense. They were on him at his job in Kingman, AZ., and because of that he was fired. They were on him at his home at his trailer, too.

Q: That much?

A: Do you see?

Q: Well, I know there was a weapons charge they were threatening Fortier with, and I believe they also said they'd put his wife in jail if he didn't cooperate.

A: It has to do with the sheer amount of pressure over that period of time.

Q: Wearing him down.

A: He had no attorney.

Q: Are you serious?

A: For that whole period. And he wasn't under arrest either.

Q: That's -

A: He was pressured for 24 hours a day and e had no attorney. He's a kid. He's not smart enough to understand what's going on.

Q: Not smart enough -

A: To realize the FBI had nothing on him. He had no one to advise him.

Q: The FBI couldn't arrest him?

A: They didn't want to arrest him.

Q: Why not?

A: Because if they did, they'd have to appoint a lawyer for him. It was months before he was arrested.

Q: I'm digesting this. It's very bizarre.

A: He got conned.

Q: But eventually he did give them what they wanted. He confessed to being involved in the crime with McVeigh.

A: You're missing it.

Q: Well, if he hasn't made an outright confession -

A: Let me ask you something. What's the fastest way to get from Kingman, AZ., to Southern Kansas?

Q: I have no idea. If Fortier and McVeigh were traveling from Kingman to Southern Kansas....

A: They'd go through OKC.

Q: Oh. Fortier just told the FBI they had been in OKC on their way to Kansas? That's all? He didn't say they were casing the federal building?

A: You're warmer.

Q: Well, all right. If Fortier never told the FBI they cased the building...

A: It's somewhere in between.

Q: In between? You mean, it's between they were just passing through OKC and they were casing the building?

A: You're warmer.

Q: Fortier told the FBI they were in OKC on the way to Kansas and they went by the federal building, and they looked at it. Something like that.

A: Something like that.

Q: And there was never a real admission about planning to blow up the building.

A: You need to read Fortier's confession. It was printed in the Daily Oklahoman.

Q: Fortier, the prosecution's big witness, never confessed. Is that what you're saying? Not even close?

A: Not even close.

Q: But the prosecution didn't need him to gain an indictment against McVeigh.

A: They want Fortier as a witness in the actual trial. Big time. But if his statement is so far south of being a confession, then they can't really use him at the trial.

Q: No they can use him. What he has to say won't make an impression on some jurors, but it could tip the scales for other more gullible jurors. The FBI spent all this time pressuring the hell out of Fortier.

A: That's very important because you see, obviously that was the best they could do. They stayed with him so long because they had nothing better. Fortier's involvement in the bombing was so minimal it was a waste of time. If I was the FBI man in charge, I would have made one run at Fortier and then forgotten all about him.

Q: So in other words, he never confessed to casing the building with McVeigh.

A: The media has completely exaggerated it. Fortier and McVeigh were driving through OKC on the way to Kansas and they passed by the federal building. Something like that.

Q: And the media stretched that.

A: Something like that.

Q: And the FBI spent so much time pressuring Fortier to link McVeigh to the bombing because they had nothing better.

A: They had nothing better.

Q: But you feel McVeigh is linked to the bombing.

A: Yes, I do. But the FBI relied on a man, Fortier, who really couldn't provide anything important to them. You need to remember that. That's important. There's more to this." *End*

Why did Terry Nichols turn himself in to police and give detailed statements to the FBI without an attorney present? He sees his name out on the television set and goes in to set the record straight. If you were responsible for this heinous crime, would you hang around your farm house and then go turn yourself in for questioning? I guess if you're really dumb.

You won't believe it, but I've run out of questions for now. It sure would be nice to get some answers. Stay tuned. I'm sure things are likely to get even more twisted as the beltway boys sweat big time in the weeks to come.

I do like to plug Media Bypass Magazine because they truly are the "uncensored national news." I just got the June issue and it's fantastic. The cover is a great shot of smiling Mayor Willie Brown (SF) and Richard Trainor's story of absolute corruption involving not only Da' Mayor, but Senator Diane Feinstein, her hubby, California State Senator John Burton and a bunch more. There is also a fabulous article on the commissar of the IRS, Charles Rossotti, and how corrupt this "dude" is, kissed and sanction by Clinton and apparently this Republican Congress and our current President. I do encourage you to call and get this issue: 1-800-4-bypass. You won't be disappointed!


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1 Posted on 06/20/2001 16:42:12 PDT by sirgawain
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2 Posted on 06/20/2001 16:42:52 PDT by sirgawain
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3 Posted on 06/20/2001 16:52:36 PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: sirgawain
There's a lot of little nuggets in this, but one of them needs a second look. According to the article, The Final Jihad was written four years before the OKC bombing but was not published until after it happened. The hero's name is Tom McVey.

It does occur to me that a publisher, or an author, might well have decided to change the name of the hero in order to take a free ride on the OKC publicity. A fairly common form of best seller is the "Roman a clef," in which real people are faintly disguised but still deliberately recognizable. In other words, the name may not mean anything unless there's evidence that it was in the manuscript before the bombing took place.

Given the way the evidence in this case has been played around with, I'm not sure whether there's any way to be sure about this.

4 Posted on 06/20/2001 17:26:50 PDT by Cicero
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To: sirgawain
From what I can find, the book was published in 1996. Plenty of time to tinker with the characters.

Can't say that the possibility of "Publicity Stunt" can be easily discarded.

5 Posted on 06/20/2001 17:28:29 PDT by ArmstMDA
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