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auging your epic 1.5

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:58 pm
by Angyish
for anyone remotely interested in tanking.

Eb x 2 or eb and chaotic stun IV.

right now mine has chaotic stun 4 and Eranging blow and basically i'm ganking agro left and right. i don't think saker was trying very hard to hold it last raid but i was taking it and holding without taunt.

makes it hard to dps when you proc so much hate. but i really reccomend it for all tanks. and never having used an EB items before god i want to go back in time and DKP buy myself a BoC.

if your a dps class get lifetaps imo the DoN ones. shouldn't be alot of agro and a good amount of damage. plus lifetaps for the win.

just my 2 cp

hmm

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:08 pm
by bill
Yeah I debated the idea of 2 EB procs on a weapon. Is there a point?

I want to know how procs work exactly when there is more than one.

I was debating on whether or not to put an EB augment in my Hategiver.

Tanks, help a kitty out.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:11 pm
by Angyish
when i get the ebon crystals i will be auging my epic 2x EB.

and the procs work independatly of each other. thats why 2 explainations appear at the bottom.

hmm

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:14 pm
by bill
Why do you know that tho Angy? In-game text is wrong, on many occasions.

I was hoping someone out there had either some personal experience to add or some factual info to research.

If not no biggy, Just wonderin. I'm sitting on enough crystals to get another EB augment. Would be 340 crystals for an upgrade of 150 hate on my secondary main hand proc.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:27 pm
by Angyish
enraging blow adds like 700 hate right?

ooh

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:40 pm
by bill
Yeah my math was off.

Anger III = 600 hate
EB = 700 hate.

So for 340 crystals I would get 100-hate extra in the event my main proc doesn't fire.

Basically, If EB is the main proc of the two mentioned above, is it really worth 340 crystals for that extra hate?

Since you can't see my magelo, I am using a wep with EB as main proc with anger III augmented in. My secondary has a main proc of anger III and I have 1 EB aug in there. There is an extra slot 9 on the secondary and I was thinking of putting a 680-crystal 75dmg tap augment in there.

Should I pay 340 for the extra 100 hate on my primary's secondary proc or spend the 680 for the 75point lifetap on my main hand giving it a tertiary proc?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:50 pm
by Angyish
3rd proc. but you can get a 100 point slot 9 lifetap i'm pretty sure.

100 extra hate won't mean dick. well if it does um i'm at a loss.
besides 3rd proc 75 damage is 25 hate less so there you go.

but in my case where my weapon does not have inherant agro. 2 eb or 1 eb one choatic strike 4.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:29 pm
by Daioe Sozenports
ATM in my hategiver i have Chaotic Strike IV, and from what i've read on high HP mobs chaotic strike is > EB for agro. There was a statement made by the dev's posted somewhere on the war boards stating that it was true. I'll have to look later for it though if anyone was interested in it.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:57 pm
by Bilnick
As a knight why would you need more (especially random) aggro? Dont you generate enough from spells? To me it is more annoying when a tank cannot control his or her aggro and just ganks it at all times due to having too many procs going off.

I remember a Ssra Emperor raid where someones time+ geared warrior was taking aggro from the main tank and it seemed more detrimental to the raid.

Warriors I understand why they load up on hate proc weapons and augs, they dont have the spells Knights do to generate aggro.

Just curious.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:04 pm
by Meso
Lol Bil, ya gotta understand them SKs ain't near as mana efficient as paladins when it comes to aggro.

They need all the help they can get. :banana

We can stun all night long and use very little mana. Basically never have to med if just stunning.
SK is oom in just a couple mobs.
But yeah, alternate weapons needed if MT or assist.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:41 am
by ForsakerTrull
I cast constantly, both aggro spells, dots, dd's and lifetaps and i rarely run oom dunno what you talking about pally.

Trull

agro

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:12 am
by Lemme
Lol, I can cast clinging darkness (20mana) all day for agro. Think our real agro spell is a whole 60 mana. Never did understand why raidleader says for necro to twitch sk when sk is tanking Lirah.

Angy, from what I have read, if we really want to tank something, we should use a 1hander and a shield. Think I would therefore not put an anger proc in epic. Doesnt it modify lifetaps? Think I would go with lifetaps in epic, though admitedly Im in love with lifetaps.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:54 am
by Angyish
only the ones we cast. not procs.

and i think in the big picture. there have been times in the past when i've lost group agro to rouges. i group with triality level people once in awhile. do you have any idea how much agro dalnoth generates tripple backstabbing for 2k each time? or giluvas has always made me work for it. stiphy wasn't as bad as dalnoth but i was still grabbing my balls and turning off the TV during that group. 20 minute creator was the shit.

plus i'd say pretty much all our wars have WA5 right now. if i have wa2 and i'm ganking agro i wonder wtfh is going on.

and a sword and shield are good for tanking on the condition that your Hp and AC are higher with the shield combo the your 2h. their exactly the same in my case. adding like 50 hp from my epic. so infact it is better for me to use 2h tanking. i don't have the shield block AA's so they are no factor.

and i don't have mana problems on raids. i'm ft 8. i'll get down to 40m and slack off for a couple mobs and proc 40% back and then go some more.
saker is ft22. he can tank all day long without blinking. i know this becuase i asked the other day becuase well saker just owns and i wanted to know what i should start aiming for.

but oerin is partly right sk's are not as mana effiecent as pallies. becuase are built more for dps. however we also can generate more hate on any given day then any other class in the game.

and before everyone says thats wrong. send a tell to the main tank of every guild that has finished time long enough for stuff to rot. assent triality sequel eotd FA. will all tell you the same thing. SK agro > all except a rouge who wants. it. (stiphy triality rouge had an EB proc in one of his main hands which made me laugh my ass off).

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:57 am
by Angyish
oh and bil. sometimes we gotta learn to reign in our powa.
like my epic was suprising the fuck out of me on lsat nights fire raid. holy agro batman. jumjam turned off attack and i plowed enrage. but once you get used to them dps for sure.

i see regular swings in the 400's. lowest i've seen was 110 or something.
highest crit with combat fury 2 is 688. and thats so far. wish i didn't miss so much.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:21 am
by Bilnick
Angyish wrote:oh and bil. sometimes we gotta learn to reign in our powa.


That was my question really. How do you "reign in your powa" with random procs going off? Turn off attack is the only way I can think of. I agree, Shadow Knights are top of the heap in aggro capabilities, so if any tank class could do without anger procs it would be a SK.