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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:46 am
by bill
Ok, Serano is claiming you guys are completely worthless as a class.

Please prove him wrong and show us what utility you have. I'm lobbying to open apps for zerker's and Serano is saying to put rogues and rangers in their places.

Show me a reason to put a zerker on a raid instead of a ranger or beastlord or rogue.

Re: Berserkers

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:52 am
by kullayen
bill wrote:Show me a reason to put a zerker on a raid instead of a ranger or beastlord or rogue.

With only 2 of them makes it harder when we bet who dies first at Raid.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:01 am
by konakor
Sadly, we have very little raid utility, if any. We have an insta-snare for kiting that never gets used in raids, but other than dps we really have nothing that sets us apart. We requested an MGB War Cry as part of the class envisionment, we shall see. At least Serano is steadfast in his hate of Berserkers. Not sure where it comes from, but at least he is persistant...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:21 pm
by Lendaanx
Even with a mgb warcry other then dps/snare/offtank ability we don't bring much. Berserkers once they get epic 1.5 and up weapons become the second highest dps class and can even pass rogues depending on the weapons of the chars.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:30 pm
by Brotta
ROGUES RULE :thumbup and Zerkers Drool.. lol J/k i think there a great class...EX why wouldnt you want a HIGH DPS CLASS in your raid..rather than an over kill of Warriors? Zerkers are just warriors that hit harder and take less hits...its not like every war in the raid is tanking. ( but i am not trying to down play Warriors just trying to say a point) and for all you warriors looking for me i got two words for you....../sneak../hide...LoL

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:17 pm
by Jahras
from what I gather, berserkers are pretty much tied for the #2 melee dps slot with monks correct? Was just kinda curious what kind of ranged dps you guys do with [url=]
Axe of the Destroyer [/url]

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:22 pm
by konakor
i just got that disc yesterday Jah. Ive only throw a couple times with it, but critted for 212 once. Thats with no throwing AAs. there is a 65 axe tome that drops from a raid mob in a GoD zone that is much better, Tainted Axe of Hatred

PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:01 pm
by Jahras
As of yesterday's patch on test, Berserkers can MGB warcry there, and the radius was upped from 60 to 150


PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:20 pm
by Groogle - Czaemon
Berserkers even with the TAOH from Ikkinz4 do pretty pathetic ranged dps. On my first zerker, with TAOH and TM1, I did 40 dps, certainly less than an equivelant ranger bowing.

berserkers still have pretty much 0 raid utility, but their dps has gotten better. the one caveat on that is that they need to have pretty high aas, or their dps still sucks.

I would definitely take a rogue over a berserker. I would probably take a ranger or a monk over a berserker. I'd always take an extra warrior over one, but that's just because I've seen wipes because people ran out of tanks far too often.

From observations in anguish/tacvi/qvic, berzerkers can hold up pretty well to rangers and monks, but they definitely aren't in the same class as rogues.

I've only raided with you guys once, so I'm not sure how your numbers are, but if you are nearing full raids usually, I would not admit more zerkers.

If you aren't nearing full raids, something > nothing.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:10 am
by konakor
so we have determined that zerkers are better than nothing? is this dude an app? i dont like him... :razz

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:50 am
by Groogle - Czaemon
konakor wrote:so we have determined that zerkers are better than nothing?


PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:57 am
by Groogle - Czaemon
Brotta wrote: Zerkers are just warriors that hit harder and take less hits...

oh, and to go with this.

berserkers do -not- innately hit for more than an equally geared warrior. The -only- differences come with aas (well, and during discs.)

With full OoW aas and a tacvi weapon, I got up to about 400 dps sustained, which really isn't too bad. But -- playing a berzerker before oow aas existed, I was doing about 130 dps with a greatblade of chaos and haste. That was with about 70 aas, all in pre-oow offense basically. A ranger, not aaed, and not even 70 can do ~80-110 dps with a windblade hasted. Unaaed berserkers are definitely subpar.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:30 pm
by Angyish
i don't buy that for a second.

i've got a 34 berserker and that guy cranks out dps like nothing else. frenzy = up to what 4 extra attacks? or was it 3? well hex hitting is pretty damn nice. as for rangers shooting and all that shit by the time we leave the EP's our rangers should be doing more dps with their melee weapons.

(i have a ranger friend who was pre EP and did more dps with jiva's sword and VZ's sword) and she had am3 eq and all that shit. i know she was doing more dps with her melee weapons becuase the mobs were dying noticeably faster and um i was having agro issues(looks around and kicks a puppie to draw attention away from the agro stuff).

as for getting said AA's we're almost fire flagged. and our zerkers are um i think brikksx put it best SLACKERS!!!!! but we should get more in here. zerkers rock.

wts serano wtb zerker's they just hack and slash serano just yells at me.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:53 pm
by Serano
I don't know where I get this label of hating zerkers. I have no hate for them, it is closer to apathy. They don't bother me - I just can't figure out why someone would play a zerker over a warrior, ranger or Rogue.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:09 pm
by Angyish
becuase zerkers are the 2nd best dps in the game. those are the words of triality peeps. and i was just giving you hell serano.

also to make warrios rouges and rangers uber dps you need to AA the hell out of them.

30 AA not including the prerequisite AA;s? for am 3 and eq? rouges its all in the weapons and the ablity to press backstab when it pops up(grats your a monkey) and why would be a warrior when you could be a shadowknight. =P