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a How to for SK's and pally's on raids. and war's somewhat.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:52 pm
by Angyish
i've noticed a few thing about TF on raids that are semi important and i thought i should say something. a little about tanking a little about tank mezzing and a little about everything else.

for pallies and sk's tming is a simple process, but i don't see it happen a whole hell of alot. i don't know maybe its a long standing guild idea to let clerics shamans and chanters get the shit kicked out of them. maybe not. but i love how once i grab a mob every other tank in guild is on it trying to gank my agro *laughs* uh oh i'm going to say something smug oh here it comes. not bloody likely. i don't know if this is becuase everyone just hits f8 and we all get the same target or what. i like HoTT leader ability i reccomend on raids all group leaders have that ability.


anyways thats the bitch part of my info here's the real deal

SK's other then myself becuase i am uber and will pwn you upside the head, should not dot for agro, using the fear spell we get and the various terror spells is a trick that takes a little longer then casting snare/dot and watching the mobs leep down our throat but if we managed to pull a mob that needs to be mezzed its gonna be hard to mezz it doted. pallys just do their stun thing and their golden, war's hit incite disc and bash or kick, whichever they prefer and use. bash makes so much agro becuase of the stun portion of it. once you have your mob unless we're Aeing the hell out of something i reccomend pulling it a little away from the large group of mobs since it makes it easier to distinguish which one is yours. then just do your TM thing and harass the druids and mages constantly for dses so it makes it look like your doing way more dps then you should be.

now on the main boss target i shouldn't even have to say it but i do, becuase i saw it on a KT hit last night and it kinda riled me up a bit. attacking before the call in is a good way to not only kill yourself, but kill the raid, not really anything like KT would be a big deal, or even some of the ssra mobs, but the emp of ssra and some vt and pop mobs proc a 99% agro reducing spell that if you go in before the war is ready you will gank agro from two hits of 200 damage or what have you, good way to eat death.
also for the sake of a rampage order waiting for call in is a good idea. i could be way the hell more detailed but i'll leave it at this.

i'm just a little peeved about some stuff.

/nod

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:01 pm
by bill
Tank mezzing, /nod.

I don't know why I have to tell tanks to move to another target. If there are 3 tanks at a given moment and 3 mobs come into camp, I shouldn't see another tank on my mob. PERIOD.

On raid mobs, WAIT FOR ASSIST. I know some of you are new but we as a guild have been SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS ABOUT WAITING FOR ASSIST FOR OVER 2 YEARS.

So, do it.

ESPECIALLY IF THE MOB ISNT EVEN IN POSITION YET a la KT last night and AoW in the past.

If you are the ramp tank or one of a few rampers, FIRE AN ARROW, don't melee with the mob while I am trying to move it. Firing an arrow may get you aggro but trust that I will be there or whomever is tanking and will gank that aggro over the 1 arrow no sweat.

I don't mind when i see multiple tanks trying to fight for aggro. That's fine and funny and whatever. When I see a tank fighting me for aggro with another mob in camp I want to reach thru the monitor and slap them upside the head.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:19 pm
by Zyzzerzazz
its all about attention.

All you lazy ass melee need to take a lesson from a cleric.....if you dont pay attention....ppl die. This goes for all classes...

Even magi....

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:25 pm
by Serano
I don't know what you are talking about. I use the hell out of knights as tank mezzers and plow tanks. They are best at it.

So far as ramp -- agree with you there too. I was failing a bit on the posistioning - I really need to explain to the Ramps and the MT to please take a more active role in getting positioning correct by the other raiders after it has been announced. I can't see everything all the time - so the people that are doing a job should be vocal if someoen is positioned wrong. Hanso shot me a tell letting me know that there were X people in the wrong spot - and when way and hanso gave me the AOK - I figured that there wasn't people in the way - shrug. I can't see it all.

BUt hell yah - try as we might we can't seem to teach people enough about ramp. Ramp tank and correct order for that is vital. BTW - who succesfully was ramp tank for KT? Never actualyl got to see that part - I was busy com healing and pressing 1.

hmm

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:31 pm
by bill
I know Angy had it at some point. I had shitty luck with aggro procs and had to wait a while for assist.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:42 pm
by phishn00
We've got a class specific section here, maybe we should post raiding guides for each class? There are some people new to raiding in guild, and I'm sure there will be more down the road. I remember my first raid, up in the old PoHate on my wizzie, being scared as hell cause I had no idea what I should be doin. After 3 years of raiding, most things seem pretty basic. But to those who are just startin out, some sort of guide could be helpful instead of swimming through blindly, tryin to pick it up as they go. And please, have patience. Someone who makes a mistake may not even realize they're making it. Just because they do something stupid doesn't mean they're stupid themselves, it's possible they're just new to raiding.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:23 pm
by Uilea
Wizards on raids -

1) Identify who in your group is least likely to get you killed, preferably casters (mages work nicely)

2) Make a hotkey - /targ person
/follow

3) AFK

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:12 pm
by Azzenkar Emberune
Well theres my answer you really are following me !!!

Azzy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:50 pm
by nazar
naturally the wizard has perfected her strats for afk'ing.. :thumbup

since were talking about this whole agro thing...i say we just put uilea as main tank..she can hold agro better than any of you slackers..we will just make a 1 second cheal chain np!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:01 pm
by Resulta
Boy I am really sorry I missed the raid last night. AS You Know I AM A PALLY!!!!!! I do wait for assist and I try and get arrgo off of the clerics. I am not saying I am perfect just sexxy. I do understand what you are saying and those in groups need to send tells to those making mistakes. I myself love me. It has made me a better sexyhighelf....

Resulta
The only sexyhighelf

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:14 pm
by Uilea
Azzenkar Emberune wrote:Well theres my answer you really are following me !!!


I admit to nothing!

nazar wrote:naturally the wizard has perfected her strats for afk'ing..

since were talking about this whole agro thing...i say we just put uilea as main tank..she can hold agro better than any of you slackers..we will just make a 1 second cheal chain np!


I don't like to brag but.. my AFKing is definatly one of my finer points. And I'm down for the whole tanking thing! I did tank a ToV dragon once ~

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:15 pm
by Valkorin
I wasn't there for that raid either Resulta....and YES ur are a Pally and Sexy.............................and sexy.. :thumbup

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:36 pm
by rsix
Perhaps the tanks should work this out amongst themselves on raids rather than having some non-tanking class define their roles for them. You don't ever see a cleric tell a monk how to pull a mob unless they play a monk, they just tell us what to pull and sit back and wait. Define who the MT is and who the TM's are and let them work the who gets what mob out.

I will tell you the SLOW tags when I have 4 mobs chasing me does get annoying, if a knight is tanking / TM'ing I should not even have to FD to lose aggro (I only hit it for a max of 36 on crit with a gimp throwing star). I do not FD until all mobs have been aggro'd, so that casters don't get their butts kicked...... Yes, I can take it, but it slows things down to have to wait for a heal before taking off again. It's pretty simple really, if you see an "inc" message shoot it (WAR), stun it (PAL), or do whatever you SK's do to get aggro once you see the mobs.... If no "Inc" mesage and you see mobs, DO NOTHING, there is likely something in tow that should not be yet.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:37 pm
by rsix
boo double post.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:25 pm
by Conan
I vaguely remember this fight but I will say this. I follow orders to the T. Serano or any other raid leader that I've been on a raid with can vouch. If i'm told to do something I ask them to explain it in complete detail then recite it back in three different ways to make sure exactly what I'm supposed to do. It really simple actually. If i'm MT then I assist the puller. If Waystin is MT and we're to assist him the I assist him and get in back of the mob I NEVER taunt unless he gets real low or the mob runs for a caster and I'm first on the scene. The only wipe I can recall ever being on with TF was TT and I was the first to go down in that--we just didn't have the dps to get her before she got us. First and foremost I follow directions without argument, keep my mouth shut in /rs, remain patient without complaining and pay attention to the chat window for further instructions. Following that ethos you can't go wrong. BTW I do run my mouth in /1 but we're allowed to :thumbup

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