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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:25 pm
by Ophidion
isn't 9 more mana regen than armor of the zealot?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:03 pm
by Zyzzerzazz
nope same at 8 mana per tick.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:34 pm
by Ophidion
cant you like not sit down when you have armor on?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:58 pm
by Zyzzerzazz
no thats Yaulp line of spells, which adds more mana regen as we stand/melee or whatever.

But yea Bot9 is lame for us clerics unless we have a shammy around to overnbuff the HP and AC

the mana regen is same

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:31 am
by Dadra
yes you are right for cleric only zyzz but when im buffing my group I buff with what will benefit them the most so I dont have to heal so much :razz
Which is what I was reffering to last night during our group. The time on symbol doesn't make a difference to me I'd rather give them the best option for there class, then i will worry about buffing myself. :razz We all play different and prefer different things

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:14 am
by Zyzzerzazz
i completley agree Dad,

I was just curious why you wanted a symbol?

So I decided to do a study on them.

What other classes have a self buff that gives 8mpt and hp / ac?

I think it is alot, if not all caster classes.

And is it that 9 blocks these self buffs because of the hp/ac increase?

Basically, if you are getting the same mana regen from self buff as bot9 gives ya*8* , and virtue + self buff will surpass in hp and ac symbol+9+WoG, then why not keep self buff + Virt up?

This study is purely for edu.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:44 am
by Zyzzerzazz
a little off the thread but pertty fuckin sweet the epic is a shield....

Possiable Cleric Epic

self

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:02 am
by Dadra
Pallies have a self buff that gives them more benefit to use Virtue because it doesn't stack with 9. Im not sure on SK's but other then that all the caster line spells are not stacked with Focus.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:23 am
by Eilsel_Seaspryte
Hah!
I knew our self buff line + Virt was always better than Kaz/9....
*shakes a fist at those who tried to convence her otherwise. :twak *
Oh...
And I have OoW now (thank's to Ezanith!)... I'm working to max my Feflexes AA, to be followed by the Wis/stat's cap AA's, and Combat Stability. Aaand then I will work on my healing AA's....
I like to survive aggro.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:34 am
by Zyzzerzazz
all i feel better now, at least 1 less cleric will be taunted to accept 9/kaz....

Anyway, aggro survival is key, but I am gonna keep on my healing AA till maxed out in OoW.

Lotta new AA that make heals more effective with same mana. This makes me less inclined to drop points on mana+ AA.

But you so got me on the Combat Mitigation / Avoidance AA.

They are like $ in the bank.

I like spell casting subeldty as well tho)...to bad GoD fucked us on the AA costs.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:52 am
by Eilsel_Seaspryte
I bought rank one of the GoD persistant casting, and it is WONDERFUL... I'm going to be working on that as well.
I have LR5 currently, and it too is very useful. I learned early that surviving aggro is very important. I had that realization at a Kael raid where poor Vkeira (62 cleric at the time) got aggro from 2 giants and died in 3 seconds, they aggroed me right after, yet I survived long enough for Aiela to pull them off me and I was only level 44 at the time. My AC was higher than Vk's, and that really made me focus on making sure I can survive aggro. I can barely survive aggro from the OoW mobs, but I'm working on it.
I have the Combat Stability rank 1, I haven't noticed much difference yet. But I think I'll see it really shine when I get to the 2nd or 3rd rank.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:57 pm
by Zyzzerzazz
yea i went with SCF3 insteda CA3...imo its just plain more fun...more efficent...no

But its just a game)

So yea, CA3 and LR5 is a must..

What are the cost per lv of LR....LR1= 3 pts right....what is LR2-LR5>?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:35 pm
by Iksurmunky
LR is 3 points every rank.

CA/LR line will add a HUGE improvement to casters, whereas CS/ID is much smaller.

You guys are correct that taking JUST symbol / 9 is worse than virtue / aotz. However - on raids where all buffs are available, symbol / 9 / focus will give you the best benefit. If a beast or shaman is not available, then always go virtue / aotz.

All players no matter their race / class should eventually have maxed CA/LR and CS/ID. I know OOW brought more defensives out to play but I havent researched them yet and we are not raiding there yet either.

Hmm

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:57 pm
by bill
I know this isn't the warrior thread but since the topic is being kicked around I was curious whether I should really be stressing about getting the pop defensives like LR/ID or can I get to them as I buy up other needed abilities?

I was thinking since I went straight for my Arch defensives that the pop/oow ones wouldn't be a high priority. But I'm not sure so here I am asking. This is in regards to Waystin btw.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:02 pm
by Zyzzerzazz
CA3 and LR3 + the 8% dodge aug...?

Do Wonders for your Tanking....

Actually all tanks should have that aug.