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Postby Serano » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:19 pm

well when people whine about the US govt - they aren't going to go into detail on how they are shady.
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Postby bill » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:10 pm

Who is shady, the government or the person?
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Postby Serano » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:11 pm

the person. the govt. they are both shady.

but in referance to my post - when people whine about anything - they typcially cast everyone but themselves in a negative - and dont' mention any negative points that would detract from their pov

I am now listed as injured (having been in the states three days already). My family is now waiting to see how long it will take before they are notified about my status. So am I.


I read the artical again and found a problem. Here is a person that has been home for 3 days and he is still waiting on the government to tell his family what his status is? pick up the phone. This is a deranged individual and he belongs in sweden. Sweden is a socialist country where they people depend on their government to tell them if a family member is alive or well or not. Rugged Americans will just tell their family. This dude wants the government office of notifications ( no such office exists) to take time away from finding people that are lost -to spend time telling a family that he is back home when he could do it himself.

The constitution sets out what the government will do. Build roads, ensure the mail flows, and provide a common defence. Doesn't include JACK about notification of your family that you have returned home from a natural disaster in the Indian Ocean.

This guy is shady if he expects the US to contact his family after he has been home for 3 days. that is retarded. So he paid for himself to get overseas buy a plot (or rent?) and then as a resident abroad when things aren't going well with his new home - he wants to return to the US. great. come on back. We acccept you. Just dont' bitch about how it was hard to get back. you left. get your own self back.

I went on Vacation once in France. My car broke down. I bought some train tickets and left the car at an autoshop. never waited for the govt to bail me out in france - I used a credit card.
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Postby fendeesha » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:46 pm

Serano I think when he said that about waiting to see how long it would be until they notified his family, I think he was being sarcastic. I am sure they know he is home. When he said "So am I" it sounds sarcastic to me anyway. I haven't said anything on this topic because I normally avoid religion and politics like the plague, but here goes...

He decided to live else where, his choice. Something awful happened to him, I am sorry it did (for EVERYONE it happened to.) I am pretty sure that it wiped him out financially. He said the embassy offered to loan him money with some refrences, and he had refrences to give. Sure it might take a little longer, but they would have come through if he would have tried. I also believe there were a lot of aid organizations in the area that he could have contacted as well. He finally did what any desperate person would do, look for alternative options, which got him back to America. Do I blame the embassy for not arranging a flight for him? Not one bit. How many people do you think work in that embassy? Lost loved ones, family members, friends? They still went to their jobs and, I am going to guess here, tried to help as many Americans in as many ways as they possibly could. Everything was in chaos over there. We sent our men and women in the military over there to clean up and help rebuild. If he lived there, couldn't he have stayed and helped rebuild? I like to think I would have. I guess what I am trying to say it that it sucked it happened to him, but it was up to him to take care of what he did from there.
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Postby bill » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:33 pm

Its strange to me that even tho I repeat it, no one addresses the question.

If other countries could handle it, why couldn't we?

I mean, why not? Let's assume that a disaster hit which written history has not recorded.

I don't know. Maybe ppl haven't seen pictures or read enough stories. Devastation isn't the right word. Our country/continent hasn't seen a disaster like that....so any comparison anyone uses is going to fall short.

/shrug. Its pretty hard for me to imagine a marine and I are the only ones here sympathetic to that. Nothing against Marines, just figured all of the armed forces would have felt the same level of ...nationalism I guess is the word.

Consider this. Maybe you won't wonder why the world looks at America the way they do.
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Postby Bilnick » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:11 pm

In Bangkok most people got help pretty quickly. The Swedes, Germans and English had charted flights for their citizens to get home. The Thai government gave free hotel rooms to survivors, and there were lists of places to get food.


It is not clear (from the story) whether the governments only chartered or actually paid for the flights home. Thialand is a popular tourist destination for those countries, it is not for the US. The embassies were probably helping the tourists/vacationers get home. This guy wasn't on vacation, he was home.

Eventually I got a flight home with JAL (that would be Japan Airlines). Not even an American company, but a Japanese company helped me get home.


This is not unusual, I would think an asian airline would be more likely to have flights in and out of Thailand than an American based airline. Besides, did JAL pay for his flight, or did he just fly back to the States on a JAL jet? It is not really clear, and I think the author wrote it that way intentionally.

What did other countries do that the US didn't? Arrange a few flights? So he had to call an airline and buy a ticket, it takes about the same (or less) effort as calling the US embassy and asking them to arrange a flight to the States doesn't it?

I do feel sorry for what happened to this guy, he lost his home and all of his belongings, sounds like none of them were insured (since he is asking for money) so he is broke too. Many, many people over there were not nearly as lucky as this guy though. I just think his rant about the US government has no merit in this instance.
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Postby SapphireSniper » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:35 pm

Yes, that's the point I was trying to make. It sounds like, from his account, that those who were helped were tourists. He didn't mention if the american tourists were helped in the same fashion but I think from the news reports I've heard that they were.

He's a different case, and I can be pretty safe in saying that other countries had citizens who also lived and worked there, but he doesn't mention if they got the same treatment that he got or if they got the treatment that I'm assuming the tourists did.

There's far too little information in that writing for me to be pissed off at the government, or to be pissed off at the guy. I'm hoping the government did all they could, because as you stated, they were there too and didn't need pictures to see how horrible it was.

If the government failed to meet his needs 100% I'm sure I could understand. He was in fair health considering and they probably had tons of people worse off that needed 130% thereby taking 10% from him.

Even governments are people, and in those situations I would trust them to do the best they could, especially since they were in the same boat.
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Postby Sadim » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:55 am

Somebody actually sent me "Paul's" story a few days ago and there was a write-up in the SF Chronicle about the guy.
If anyone wants to read more about this guy, click on this link http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... AMQHR1.DTL
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Postby bill » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:40 pm

Yeah Bil ok, I can see where since he wasn't very specific ppl could interperet things differently than I did.

Sadim, that's funny you found this story there, I shoulda thought to look there when I got the story from the BRC newsletter.
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